1 00:00:25,010 --> 00:00:09,100 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:36,030 --> 00:00:33,119 hello what o.o me hello may not here for 3 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:36,040 the skeptic Zone episode 306 on the 35th 4 00:00:41,939 --> 00:00:38,769 of August 2014 if you're expecting 5 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:41,949 Richard Saunders well you're in for a 6 00:00:46,049 --> 00:00:44,290 disappointment baxley no stand up sit 7 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:46,059 down again stand up turn around hold on 8 00:00:49,829 --> 00:00:48,370 to your hat why because I'm reading the 9 00:00:52,950 --> 00:00:49,839 script that Richard Saunders has sent me 10 00:00:58,820 --> 00:00:52,960 hang on oh there's a comma there so 11 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:01,890 hat why because that makes for a funny 12 00:01:06,210 --> 00:01:03,729 side something to entertain the other 13 00:01:09,420 --> 00:01:06,220 people on the train or bus or wherever 14 00:01:12,149 --> 00:01:09,430 you are Richard is having well which is 15 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:12,159 on the couch under the couch under the 16 00:01:18,510 --> 00:01:15,040 table and basically is a sick of a dog 17 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:18,520 he's as sick as a dog with a cat on his 18 00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:21,790 lap oh what's that here's my cat 19 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:26,799 Godzilla now hello Godzilla yeah my 20 00:01:32,249 --> 00:01:28,780 cat's much more talkative Richards meow 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:32,259 shh shh Godzilla anyway what's coming up 22 00:01:36,660 --> 00:01:34,810 on the zone this week well we kick off 23 00:01:38,910 --> 00:01:36,670 with an interview Richard did before the 24 00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:38,920 germies got too bad now the not sure if 25 00:01:44,130 --> 00:01:42,640 it's a virus a micro bacterial and he's 26 00:01:47,219 --> 00:01:44,140 not auditioning for the Sydney dance 27 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:47,229 company again but he was really good 28 00:01:49,770 --> 00:01:48,850 last time he almost made it if he hadn't 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:49,780 cooked his thigh he would have been 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:52,090 across the line no trouble anyway before 31 00:01:57,989 --> 00:01:56,170 he got a look here's an interview he did 32 00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:57,999 with evan bernstein from the skeptics 33 00:02:01,889 --> 00:02:00,159 guide to the universe podcast evan and 34 00:02:03,149 --> 00:02:01,899 all the SGU rogues are in Atlanta 35 00:02:06,510 --> 00:02:03,159 Georgia at the moment attending 36 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:06,520 dragoncon was a dragon con six years ago 37 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:09,160 this week the skeptic zone was launched 38 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:11,650 are you lucky even tells Richard about 39 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:13,060 what's going on with a skeptical 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:15,580 outreach at this great convention and 41 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:17,890 will be tested to see what evan is 42 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:20,110 dressed as i believe he went as every 43 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:22,150 member of the Fantastic Four last time 44 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:24,310 after that is a grain of salt with Iran 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:26,800 sir give who was at the QED convention 46 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:28,450 in Manchester earlier this year this 47 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:30,280 time around talks to Joanna Bischoff 48 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:34,239 about diets and woo that's pronounced 49 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:36,560 following that it's a week in science in 50 00:02:41,589 --> 00:02:38,060 the Royal Institution of Australia 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:41,599 that's a re-org a you and while we're 52 00:02:45,699 --> 00:02:43,370 doing the plugs here have a listen to 53 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:45,709 Maynard Comte you where you can find 54 00:02:51,190 --> 00:02:48,609 some interviews about 90 s music and 55 00:02:52,660 --> 00:02:51,200 bunga bunga the show I do with that mr. 56 00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:52,670 Tim Ferguson of the dog Anthony all 57 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:54,560 stars who are touring again at the 58 00:02:59,229 --> 00:02:57,200 moment back from the 90s that will be on 59 00:03:01,660 --> 00:02:59,239 this week so check that out men are calm 60 00:03:03,069 --> 00:03:01,670 that I you will cost around off our show 61 00:03:06,460 --> 00:03:03,079 after you're all science doubt after 62 00:03:08,140 --> 00:03:06,470 your brains are all sort of swollen in a 63 00:03:10,030 --> 00:03:08,150 good way and a round off the show it's 64 00:03:12,449 --> 00:03:10,040 evidence please with Joe alabaster 65 00:03:16,449 --> 00:03:12,459 what's Joe getting into this week mmm 66 00:03:18,699 --> 00:03:16,459 Underpants light fittings yep well 67 00:03:20,649 --> 00:03:18,709 actually it is Underpants yes underpants 68 00:03:23,709 --> 00:03:20,659 that claim to be able to shield you 69 00:03:25,030 --> 00:03:23,719 against electromagnetic radiation but 70 00:03:28,229 --> 00:03:25,040 personally I can't get enough of stuff 71 00:03:32,170 --> 00:03:28,239 well now I'm going to go downstairs to 72 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:32,180 Richard's kitchen steal his wallet leave 73 00:03:35,979 --> 00:03:34,250 the house and have one hell of an odd on 74 00:03:38,229 --> 00:03:35,989 his credit card oh and i think i'll 75 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:38,239 probably have a fewer japanese slippers 76 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:40,729 while I'm doing that while you enjoy the 77 00:03:45,910 --> 00:04:19,840 that okay meow 78 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:22,460 and joining me now from the wonderful 79 00:04:27,530 --> 00:04:24,750 city of Atlanta in Georgia where I wish 80 00:04:29,390 --> 00:04:27,540 I was right now it's evan Bernstein from 81 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:29,400 this skeptics guide to the universe 82 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:32,280 hello Evan hey Richard and everyone 83 00:04:35,660 --> 00:04:34,140 how's everyone doing well I hope 84 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:35,670 everyone's doing a little bit better 85 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:37,290 than me I seem to have picked up some 86 00:04:43,460 --> 00:04:40,830 sort of a rotten throaty thing but will 87 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:43,470 battle on nevertheless and it's hard to 88 00:04:47,450 --> 00:04:45,810 believe that dragon con is on yet again 89 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:47,460 and it's even harder to believe that I'm 90 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:49,890 not there but I was just having a chat 91 00:04:53,780 --> 00:04:51,630 to Derek Colin dunno and he said the 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:53,790 first days gone really really well 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:04:55,770 however how's things looking from your 94 00:05:01,580 --> 00:04:58,890 perspective yeah things here as usual 95 00:05:04,850 --> 00:05:01,590 are very good you know there's always a 96 00:05:07,790 --> 00:05:04,860 robust crowd here lots of different 97 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:07,800 kinds of people and what I mean by that 98 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:09,630 is people with lots of different 99 00:05:15,380 --> 00:05:12,150 interests not only skepticism but 100 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:15,390 obviously science science fiction of 101 00:05:19,820 --> 00:05:17,550 course and certainly a plenty of other 102 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:19,830 things so it's sort of a different vibe 103 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:22,050 you get at a conference like Dragon Con 104 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:24,120 then you get at some of the other more 105 00:05:28,010 --> 00:05:26,460 parochial skeptic conferences that you 106 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:28,020 and I are familiar with so it's 107 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:29,640 definitely different and it's a lot of 108 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:31,800 fun yeah that's my memories from 109 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:35,490 dragoncon up it's so crazy so many 110 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:36,960 people walking around in the most 111 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:39,330 extraordinary costumes and it gets very 112 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:41,820 busy and very crowded is it like that 113 00:05:49,370 --> 00:05:45,690 this year I think this year more so than 114 00:05:51,470 --> 00:05:49,380 ever these these conventions like Dragon 115 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:51,480 Con you know they have comic-con and 116 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:54,240 then and others like it are only growing 117 00:06:00,440 --> 00:05:57,000 in popularity and the attendance numbers 118 00:06:02,750 --> 00:06:00,450 are always going up up up and yeah you 119 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:02,760 can feel it you definitely have a bit of 120 00:06:07,310 --> 00:06:04,800 a hard time or a challenge getting from 121 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:07,320 one place to another but we all manage 122 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:09,330 and everybody is civil and polite about 123 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:11,820 it and patient we have to have some 124 00:06:17,060 --> 00:06:15,210 patience as well and but it's good it's 125 00:06:19,550 --> 00:06:17,070 good a really good really good vibe from 126 00:06:21,710 --> 00:06:19,560 the crowd here that's what I remember I 127 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:21,720 went the three years running 128 00:06:28,580 --> 00:06:25,250 I think it was if I can recall 2008 2009 129 00:06:32,060 --> 00:06:28,590 2010 and in the three years i went there 130 00:06:35,210 --> 00:06:32,070 it seemed to me to be getting bigger 131 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:35,220 every year and the golden rule about 132 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:37,170 dragoncon especially when you're leaving 133 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:40,530 is that you have to time your use of the 134 00:06:46,220 --> 00:06:42,330 elevator very carefully otherwise you 135 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:46,230 just don't get in that's true we're in 136 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:48,240 Atlanta Georgia you know which is one of 137 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:52,620 America's larger cities but even even a 138 00:06:58,930 --> 00:06:55,620 city like Atlanta has a hard time sort 139 00:07:02,930 --> 00:06:58,940 of handling the traffic of over 100,000 140 00:07:04,580 --> 00:07:02,940 attendees in their downtown area so it 141 00:07:06,530 --> 00:07:04,590 can it can get pretty tight and like you 142 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:06,540 said the elevators and the lines for the 143 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:10,110 elevators do get tight impact but you 144 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:11,580 know that doesn't dampen anybody's 145 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:14,130 spirits I mean nobody nobody's really 146 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:15,570 complaining about anything like that 147 00:07:18,860 --> 00:07:17,730 like I said it just you just have to 148 00:07:20,690 --> 00:07:18,870 have some patience and you'll eventually 149 00:07:22,250 --> 00:07:20,700 get to where you want to go that's 150 00:07:24,050 --> 00:07:22,260 absolutely true and along the way you 151 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:24,060 can meet you back of the Wookiee or you 152 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:26,910 can meet Dracula or your favorite 153 00:07:31,550 --> 00:07:28,740 characters from from just about any 154 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:31,560 movie or any pop culture reference I'm 155 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:33,030 sure there are lots of doctor who's this 156 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:35,910 year as well oh this year more than ever 157 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:38,130 I've see I've seen so much doctor who 158 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:41,970 it's you know not even not even funny so 159 00:07:48,370 --> 00:07:45,210 much costumes even the merchandise that 160 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:48,380 they're selling a whole booths of of 161 00:07:53,719 --> 00:07:51,690 merchandise dedicated to simply Doctor 162 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:53,729 Who and nothing else and it definitely 163 00:07:58,219 --> 00:07:55,890 seems to be a very very popular theme 164 00:08:00,590 --> 00:07:58,229 here and people are loving it enjoying 165 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:00,600 it having a great time with it yeah they 166 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:03,180 I'm sure they are as they did the times 167 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:05,010 that I was there now tell me more about 168 00:08:09,770 --> 00:08:07,500 the skeptical outreach you've been going 169 00:08:11,930 --> 00:08:09,780 to dragoncon longer than I have all 170 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:11,940 you've been there more times now than I 171 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:15,690 certainly did I certainly enjoyed the 172 00:08:20,810 --> 00:08:18,150 skeptical panels and the skeptical shows 173 00:08:23,060 --> 00:08:20,820 we did at DragonCon how important it is 174 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:23,070 for for you and the skeptics guide to 175 00:08:28,969 --> 00:08:25,910 the universe to appear at these things 176 00:08:32,300 --> 00:08:28,979 it is important it's an extra sort of 177 00:08:35,029 --> 00:08:32,310 arm of outreach to an audience who might 178 00:08:36,889 --> 00:08:35,039 not necessarily have some 179 00:08:39,259 --> 00:08:36,899 bossier to us in the first place because 180 00:08:41,810 --> 00:08:39,269 like I said there are so many people 181 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:41,820 here for so many different reasons you 182 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:43,889 can't help but get some people 183 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:45,540 interested in skepticism who maybe 184 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:48,120 didn't even know about it to begin with 185 00:08:52,550 --> 00:08:50,250 unlike other conventions and other 186 00:08:54,439 --> 00:08:52,560 events we attend where we know pretty 187 00:08:56,329 --> 00:08:54,449 much the crowd for the most part has a 188 00:08:58,879 --> 00:08:56,339 skeptical attitude in a skeptical 189 00:09:00,860 --> 00:08:58,889 worldview but here it's a little bit 190 00:09:02,780 --> 00:09:00,870 more mixed you not quite sure what 191 00:09:04,340 --> 00:09:02,790 people are thinking because you're 192 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:04,350 running into people that you don't often 193 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:06,569 see at the other places so it's very 194 00:09:09,889 --> 00:09:08,250 interested in in fact when we were 195 00:09:12,590 --> 00:09:09,899 having dinner just this evening myself 196 00:09:14,569 --> 00:09:12,600 in the novellas we were speaking with 197 00:09:16,490 --> 00:09:14,579 some people at the adjoining table and 198 00:09:17,930 --> 00:09:16,500 they didn't know about us but we just 199 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:17,940 started talking a little bit and it 200 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:19,050 turns out they're going to come to our 201 00:09:25,069 --> 00:09:22,740 live show tomorrow and just from us 202 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:25,079 explaining to them what it was we were 203 00:09:28,699 --> 00:09:26,490 talking about they had never heard of 204 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:28,709 skepticism before they had no idea and 205 00:09:32,689 --> 00:09:31,170 they said it sounds really interesting 206 00:09:34,579 --> 00:09:32,699 and I think we're going to see them in 207 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:34,589 some of the front row seats tomorrow 208 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:37,220 night so that's the that's that's the 209 00:09:42,530 --> 00:09:40,290 really great thing about a convention 210 00:09:44,090 --> 00:09:42,540 like this is that we're making contact 211 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:44,100 with people with whom we would not 212 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:46,649 otherwise have that that ability to 213 00:09:51,829 --> 00:09:49,170 contact I think that's a very important 214 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:51,839 point because you're right at skeptical 215 00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:53,880 conventions or scientific conventions 216 00:09:58,340 --> 00:09:55,440 which you and I appear at from time to 217 00:10:00,199 --> 00:09:58,350 time we know our audience our audience 218 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:00,209 know why they're there and they know 219 00:10:05,660 --> 00:10:02,730 what to expect but a dragon con what I 220 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:05,670 really enjoyed was the the drop in crowd 221 00:10:09,379 --> 00:10:07,529 the people passing by all the people who 222 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:09,389 saw on the program there was something 223 00:10:15,829 --> 00:10:13,680 to do with skepticism be it maybe the 224 00:10:18,439 --> 00:10:15,839 mystery investigators show or the SGU 225 00:10:21,769 --> 00:10:18,449 panel or monsters or something like that 226 00:10:25,460 --> 00:10:21,779 and would come in and maybe for the 227 00:10:26,689 --> 00:10:25,470 first time i meet skeptics and here the 228 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:26,699 skeptical point of view and the 229 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:28,410 scientific rational point of view for 230 00:10:33,439 --> 00:10:31,920 mysteries and whatever so I to me it's 231 00:10:35,590 --> 00:10:33,449 it's I guess it's one of the reasons i 232 00:10:38,809 --> 00:10:35,600 really love dragon con was was that 233 00:10:41,870 --> 00:10:38,819 approach that reaching new minds hearts 234 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:41,880 and minds maybe no doubt about it no 235 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:44,730 doubt about it the more we can expand 236 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:48,630 our skeptical outreach to new audiences 237 00:10:53,810 --> 00:10:51,330 better off the entire movement is and 238 00:10:56,090 --> 00:10:53,820 you know frankly we think that you know 239 00:10:59,180 --> 00:10:56,100 people in general are better off if they 240 00:11:01,340 --> 00:10:59,190 if they come to understand what it is to 241 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:01,350 have a skeptical worldview about things 242 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:03,810 some people may already have it and not 243 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:06,450 sort of realize that there is this you 244 00:11:10,940 --> 00:11:08,070 know defined movement or a group of 245 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:10,950 people that you know work hard and in 246 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:13,170 promoting these ideas and they're just 247 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:15,990 coming across these organizations for 248 00:11:19,340 --> 00:11:17,610 the first time at a place like Dragon 249 00:11:21,950 --> 00:11:19,350 Con so like you said Richard it is 250 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:21,960 important that we do this sort of 251 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:24,750 outreach in a venue that you might not 252 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:27,120 otherwise think would would be a good 253 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:29,370 place to promote skepticism but very 254 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:33,830 much it is well I seem to think that the 255 00:11:39,020 --> 00:11:36,630 skeptical track at dragoncon is it is a 256 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:39,030 big success every year due to the fact 257 00:11:42,730 --> 00:11:40,710 that they keep expanding the room and I 258 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:42,740 remember talking to a packed room at 259 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:44,970 DragonCon which I was very pleased about 260 00:11:49,430 --> 00:11:46,650 and again looking out in the audience I 261 00:11:51,860 --> 00:11:49,440 saw all sorts of people with costumes of 262 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:51,870 all descriptions I mean unless you've 263 00:11:58,310 --> 00:11:55,490 been to dragoncon or a similar event 264 00:12:00,740 --> 00:11:58,320 it's hard to imagine that so many people 265 00:12:02,150 --> 00:12:00,750 go to so much incredible trouble to 266 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:02,160 dress up as their favorite characters 267 00:12:06,950 --> 00:12:05,160 and walk around all day in the in the 268 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:06,960 heat in Atlanta and that kills me that 269 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:09,210 that's just that shows your dedication I 270 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:12,510 think very much so you have people who 271 00:12:18,050 --> 00:12:15,870 plan all year for this particular event 272 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:18,060 whether it's making costumes or just 273 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:19,530 making arrangements with their friends 274 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:21,660 scheduling their vacation plans around 275 00:12:26,270 --> 00:12:24,450 it it's a big deal to a whole lot of 276 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:26,280 people and the numbers reflect that it 277 00:12:31,730 --> 00:12:28,380 just gets bigger and bigger every year 278 00:12:34,130 --> 00:12:31,740 and I don't you mentioned Derek before 279 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:34,140 and I think we should say it again that 280 00:12:40,010 --> 00:12:37,560 were it not for Derek Derek's from from 281 00:12:41,810 --> 00:12:40,020 skeptic ality his efforts you know I 282 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:41,820 hope the skeptical track would just not 283 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:45,170 be what it is today so I think a real 284 00:12:50,180 --> 00:12:48,270 good shout out and acknowledgement needs 285 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:50,190 to go to Derek for all of his hard work 286 00:12:55,130 --> 00:12:52,770 and his dedication over the past you 287 00:12:57,740 --> 00:12:55,140 know ten or more years that he's been 288 00:12:59,360 --> 00:12:57,750 dealing with this and making it all 289 00:13:02,190 --> 00:12:59,370 happen it's a tremendous amount of work 290 00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:02,200 he's a very dedicated individual 291 00:13:07,290 --> 00:13:04,720 and we're very happy that you know he's 292 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:07,300 he's a friend of ours and that he you 293 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:09,430 know calls us back each year to to 294 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:12,070 participate were more than happy to oh I 295 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:14,650 couldn't agree more and and again I keep 296 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:16,540 relating to the times I was there but 297 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:20,530 when I was there for those times derek 298 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:22,690 was on hand and he put it all together 299 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:27,130 and he was uh he's always so nice and 300 00:13:30,570 --> 00:13:28,780 relaxed about things although i'm sure 301 00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:30,580 underneath he's panicking quite a lot 302 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:33,040 it's that sort of fellow and in fact 303 00:13:40,650 --> 00:13:38,620 just a not 20 minutes ago as the one of 304 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:40,660 the panels was going on in the room he's 305 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:42,970 he's take took the time out to message 306 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:45,850 me to say how how am i doing and you 307 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:47,920 know they missed me there so that's a 308 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:49,630 mark of the man i think he's a really 309 00:13:56,460 --> 00:13:52,930 nice guy agreed I couldn't agree more 310 00:13:58,050 --> 00:13:56,470 now what else apart from obviously doing 311 00:14:00,780 --> 00:13:58,060 the skeptics guide to the universe at 312 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:00,790 DragonCon which is always great fun i 313 00:14:05,130 --> 00:14:02,770 know i've been in the audience what else 314 00:14:07,170 --> 00:14:05,140 at the event are you looking forward to 315 00:14:11,130 --> 00:14:07,180 or do you like to do when you get away 316 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:11,140 from the skeptical area we like to go 317 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:14,620 and drop in on some of the other panels 318 00:14:18,180 --> 00:14:16,450 discussions that are going on because 319 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:18,190 they talk about so many different things 320 00:14:23,670 --> 00:14:21,220 they talk about art they talk about you 321 00:14:26,010 --> 00:14:23,680 know comics and how special effects in 322 00:14:27,870 --> 00:14:26,020 the movies are made and how the writers 323 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:27,880 come up with their ideas for television 324 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:30,490 shows for movies having to do with 325 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:32,890 science and science fiction those are 326 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:35,710 those are very informative panels and 327 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:37,420 usually with some very impressive people 328 00:14:42,450 --> 00:14:40,240 up there telling us about you know the 329 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:42,460 nature of their craft it's it's it's a 330 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:44,650 really a great learning experience and I 331 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:47,980 must admit just going around and being a 332 00:14:53,550 --> 00:14:50,530 voyeur looking at the costumes that 333 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:53,560 these people are wearing and it puts so 334 00:14:58,890 --> 00:14:56,890 much time and effort into is is is eye 335 00:15:01,740 --> 00:14:58,900 candy there's no other way to put it 336 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:01,750 it's it's great to see it's so much fun 337 00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:04,870 and you know when you see that somebody 338 00:15:09,090 --> 00:15:07,600 has put in so much work in a costume and 339 00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:09,100 you recognize it from one of your 340 00:15:12,450 --> 00:15:10,870 favorite television shows or favorite 341 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:12,460 movies you just can't help but go up to 342 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:14,230 them and let them know what a great job 343 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:15,590 they've done you want 344 00:15:19,450 --> 00:15:16,970 you know get their picture and 345 00:15:22,930 --> 00:15:19,460 everything that's a big big fun part of 346 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:22,940 dragoncon it really is it really is um 347 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:26,930 and I remember walking around the doctor 348 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:29,330 rachy one year dragoncon just meeting 349 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:31,610 famous people from television history 350 00:15:35,620 --> 00:15:34,490 that was a that was a kick to and you 351 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:35,630 never know who you're gonna bump into 352 00:15:40,810 --> 00:15:38,810 their I remember having a light lunch 353 00:15:44,260 --> 00:15:40,820 one day and Larry Hagman walked by I 354 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:44,270 mean it was just crazy the late Larry 355 00:15:50,050 --> 00:15:47,450 Hagman of Dallas Fame and I Dream of 356 00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:50,060 Jeannie other yeah shows and movies yes 357 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:51,920 definitely you're exactly right Richard 358 00:15:57,610 --> 00:15:54,710 you you there um all sorts of 359 00:16:01,050 --> 00:15:57,620 celebrities from movies from television 360 00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:01,060 writers artists there they're here and 361 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:03,680 you know some people come back each year 362 00:16:07,090 --> 00:16:05,570 so you get to see them you know year 363 00:16:08,260 --> 00:16:07,100 after year and then other people you 364 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:08,270 know just kind of make the rounds every 365 00:16:12,850 --> 00:16:09,920 few years to these events so it becomes 366 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:12,860 even more special and yet you just don't 367 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:15,170 know who you're gonna bump into and I 368 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:17,210 know Terry Gilliam's out there somewhere 369 00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:19,190 this year and I would be very honored to 370 00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:20,720 bump into him and let him know how much 371 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:22,430 I appreciate all the work he's done over 372 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:25,490 the years well that reminds me at the 373 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:28,670 same time roughly uh Larry Hagman walked 374 00:16:32,740 --> 00:16:30,530 by Terry Gilliam was in the corner 375 00:16:35,650 --> 00:16:32,750 chatting to somebody but I'd but that's 376 00:16:37,150 --> 00:16:35,660 great to spot these people but a place 377 00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:37,160 that dragon con also gives you the 378 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:38,780 opportunity to walk up and chat to 379 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:40,790 people if you wanted to like I had a 380 00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:42,770 good chat with the Gil Gerard the guy 381 00:16:48,430 --> 00:16:44,480 who played Buck Rogers many years ago 382 00:16:50,890 --> 00:16:48,440 and just random things like that um yeah 383 00:16:52,510 --> 00:16:50,900 so I wish I could be there I'm glad 384 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:52,520 you're there and the skeptics guide to 385 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,510 the universe is there it's very 386 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:55,360 important to have a good skeptical 387 00:17:00,220 --> 00:16:57,410 representation of these things again for 388 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:00,230 the outreach reaching people who may not 389 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:03,890 normally associate or hear about the 390 00:17:09,250 --> 00:17:06,980 skeptics but let's talk briefly about of 391 00:17:11,620 --> 00:17:09,260 course the big the even better 392 00:17:14,590 --> 00:17:11,630 convention in Sydney at the end of the 393 00:17:16,090 --> 00:17:14,600 year and of course I'll see if I can 394 00:17:18,010 --> 00:17:16,100 dress up for the Australian skeptics 395 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:18,020 National Convention the skeptics guide 396 00:17:23,140 --> 00:17:20,150 to the universe will be back in Sydney 397 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:23,150 after a four-year break we're excited I 398 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:24,530 hope you're looking forward to it as 399 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:28,010 well oh we've been looking forward to 400 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:29,480 this for so long Richard as 401 00:17:33,370 --> 00:17:32,090 we'll know and thank you for helping put 402 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:33,380 this all together and really and really 403 00:17:38,770 --> 00:17:36,770 making this this happen for were it not 404 00:17:40,419 --> 00:17:38,780 for your efforts and your organization's 405 00:17:43,450 --> 00:17:40,429 efforts you know obviously we would not 406 00:17:45,159 --> 00:17:43,460 have much of a presence and in in 407 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:45,169 Australia but you afford us that 408 00:17:49,169 --> 00:17:46,730 opportunity and it's really a fantastic 409 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:49,179 thing Australia is a wonderful country 410 00:17:54,370 --> 00:17:52,429 so much we would love to see we're going 411 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:54,380 back to Sydney again like you said and 412 00:18:00,909 --> 00:17:57,530 we just can't wait and we really do make 413 00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:00,919 this a big huge family event to we're 414 00:18:05,409 --> 00:18:03,740 bringing our children with us and you 415 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:05,419 know some extended relatives so is so 416 00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:08,330 it's not just you know something as 417 00:18:12,190 --> 00:18:09,919 simple as going to a conference it's 418 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:12,200 it's really a large event that we've 419 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:14,510 planned for quite a long time getting 420 00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,460 our families involved and frankly we 421 00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:19,280 can't wait to see again the the Great 422 00:18:23,650 --> 00:18:20,960 Australian skeptics audience that's 423 00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:23,660 there because you guys are doing some 424 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:25,580 great work and your community down there 425 00:18:32,169 --> 00:18:29,690 is robust lively and a lot of fun to be 426 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:32,179 with a lot of fun to chat with and we 427 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:33,530 just can't wait it's only a few months 428 00:18:37,659 --> 00:18:35,270 away I know it's going to be here before 429 00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:37,669 we know it it's yeah it will be here 430 00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:39,320 before we know it and just to remind 431 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:42,320 people out there you can meet Evan and 432 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:44,000 all of the skeptics guide to the 433 00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,710 universe plus all our great guests 434 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,600 coming to the Australian skeptics 435 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:49,760 National Convention tickets are 436 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:52,700 available at convention skeptics calm 437 00:18:57,370 --> 00:18:54,770 today you with all the details of who 438 00:19:00,850 --> 00:18:57,380 else will be there and other activities 439 00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:00,860 and I think of course you're going to be 440 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:02,510 utilizing your time in this part of the 441 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:04,010 world very well you're also going to 442 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:07,520 Canberra I understand and then off to 443 00:19:12,909 --> 00:19:11,090 New Zealand correct said this sort of in 444 00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:12,919 the middle of move all those trips you 445 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:15,260 know sort of the the crown jewel the 446 00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:17,510 centerpiece of it all that we're basing 447 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:18,799 the rest of the trips around but you're 448 00:19:23,289 --> 00:19:21,040 right Canberra and New Zealand to follow 449 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:23,299 we're where we've actually not been 450 00:19:28,270 --> 00:19:25,220 before it is New Zealand so we're very 451 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:28,280 much looking forward to that but you 452 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:31,490 know obviously there's a large following 453 00:19:37,450 --> 00:19:35,510 of the SGU in Australia and we just 454 00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:37,460 can't wait to get back there to you know 455 00:19:41,169 --> 00:19:39,140 reconnect with with a lot of our 456 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:41,179 listeners were just so looking forward 457 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:43,250 to it yes well the feedback leg in 458 00:19:47,950 --> 00:19:45,650 of course as people are very happy 459 00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:47,960 indeed that the st you will be once 460 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:51,260 again back in sydney but i am jealous of 461 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:53,330 course because New Zealand is a 462 00:19:58,900 --> 00:19:56,090 wonderful place you will be gobsmacked 463 00:20:01,420 --> 00:19:58,910 it's just the gorgeous country and the 464 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:01,430 people are so welcoming and friendly 465 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:03,650 over there and the New Zealand skeptics 466 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:05,210 are a very active group a very fine 467 00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:07,310 group of people I think you're in for a 468 00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:09,590 really good time Evan and it's so great 469 00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:12,710 that you can share this with people that 470 00:20:16,410 --> 00:20:14,540 you're going to meet along the way and 471 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:16,420 especially here in Sydney of course 472 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:19,250 convention skeptics calm today you is 473 00:20:23,020 --> 00:20:21,170 the place to go to buy your tickets and 474 00:20:24,430 --> 00:20:23,030 you can meet Evan and the rest of the 475 00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,440 skeptics guide to the universe will ever 476 00:20:27,970 --> 00:20:26,000 know I know it's late in Atlanta I know 477 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:27,980 you've had a big day cuz every day at 478 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:30,650 Dragon Con is a big day what's on that's 479 00:20:36,250 --> 00:20:33,460 right what's on the agenda tomorrow 480 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:36,260 tomorrow's big day uh-huh because we'll 481 00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:39,320 be doing our live skeptics guide to the 482 00:20:43,630 --> 00:20:41,600 universe show in front of a packed house 483 00:20:47,050 --> 00:20:43,640 it's usually a standing-room-only crowd 484 00:20:49,390 --> 00:20:47,060 which is very exciting and as you know 485 00:20:51,370 --> 00:20:49,400 we've talked among ourselves as far as 486 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:51,380 you know some of our favorite episodes 487 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:53,810 that we've done over the years where you 488 00:21:00,040 --> 00:20:57,410 know about 480 episodes into our SGU 489 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:00,050 careers here yeah and really some of our 490 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:04,010 most fun and lively liveliest audiences 491 00:21:08,530 --> 00:21:06,290 have have occurred at the dragoncon 492 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:08,540 venue so I don't think tomorrow is going 493 00:21:15,130 --> 00:21:11,030 to be any different in that regard it's 494 00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,140 going to be a lot of fun interactive and 495 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:17,360 just you know so many things about 496 00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:19,310 science and science fiction to play off 497 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:21,260 of here with the Dragon Con theme it 498 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,810 just makes for a special special event 499 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:25,600 so that's what we're looking forward to 500 00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:28,490 also Bob's going to be marching in the 501 00:21:33,130 --> 00:21:30,470 parade tomorrow morning and I think 502 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,140 Rebecca is as well so each year at 503 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:34,640 dragoncon on Saturday morning there's a 504 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:36,950 parade in which the people who do dress 505 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:38,690 up in particular costumes get to go out 506 00:21:43,210 --> 00:21:41,600 there and you know / it you know parade 507 00:21:45,550 --> 00:21:43,220 out for everyone to show off their best 508 00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:45,560 wares and their best costumes and I'm 509 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:47,390 looking forward to be it out there route 510 00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:49,690 and Bob on route and Rebecca as well I 511 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:52,640 again I wish I could see that I really 512 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:54,170 do I look forward to the photographs I 513 00:21:58,660 --> 00:21:55,910 look forward to November 514 00:22:00,880 --> 00:21:58,670 forward to greeting you all the whole 515 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:00,890 skeptics guide to the universe gang back 516 00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:03,530 into Sydney very exciting but Evan thank 517 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:05,240 you so much for taking time out go to 518 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:07,430 bed get some sleep and we'll chat soon 519 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:19,970 well do Richard thanks a lot did you see 520 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:21,530 that UFO sighting that made the news 521 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:23,690 what did that latest study about 522 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:25,970 alternative treatments really say is 523 00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:27,590 this photo making the rounds real or 524 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:30,560 hoax duffle news is a unique website 525 00:22:34,570 --> 00:22:32,450 featuring news about pseudoscience the 526 00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:34,580 paranormal anomalies and questionable 527 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:36,280 claims framed with the skeptical view 528 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:39,260 come visit doubtful newscom every day 529 00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:40,990 for news about cryptozoology 530 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:44,720 conspiracies shams scams and more follow 531 00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:47,630 us on twitter at doubtful news critical 532 00:22:51,490 --> 00:22:49,190 thinking is essential in assessing 533 00:23:03,180 --> 00:22:51,500 today's news duffel news helps you 534 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:05,970 let's all take this with a grain of salt 535 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:16,300 so I'm here at skeptic camp in 536 00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:18,410 Manchester the palace hotel and I'm 537 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:20,630 sitting here with Jonah Bischoff who is 538 00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:23,690 a PhD student in cell biology and she 539 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:25,150 gave a very interesting talk today 540 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:27,890 skepta camp what was the talk about her 541 00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:30,890 so I was talking about dieting and all 542 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:33,260 the whew that is connected with various 543 00:23:37,930 --> 00:23:34,730 types of diet especially with the 544 00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:37,940 alkaline ash diet what is the article a 545 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:40,280 nice day so let's die that proposed to 546 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:42,410 say that well if your body becomes 547 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:44,690 acidic then this makes you ill and so 548 00:23:48,970 --> 00:23:46,340 you should eat food there are alkaline 549 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:48,980 and they'll make you healthy and but 550 00:23:53,410 --> 00:23:50,510 actually in fact that's not true because 551 00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,420 you can't change your body's pH level by 552 00:23:57,910 --> 00:23:55,760 what you eat so it's actually all 553 00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,920 nonsense and there's a lot of good 554 00:24:02,530 --> 00:23:59,600 scientific research that shows you that 555 00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:02,540 there is no relation between the food 556 00:24:08,350 --> 00:24:05,960 you eat and certain illnesses for 557 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:08,360 example like osteoporosis or cancer so 558 00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:10,370 you can't affect these by eating 559 00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:13,870 alkaline food or you know any other food 560 00:24:20,290 --> 00:24:17,360 so what does affect your blood acidity 561 00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,300 level well mainly your body is working 562 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:22,640 very hard to keep it stable and it has 563 00:24:27,010 --> 00:24:25,250 like a lot of buffering systems that 564 00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,020 keep it like this and like for example 565 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:30,080 your lungs work really hard to expel co2 566 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:32,330 which is important buffer and your 567 00:24:36,910 --> 00:24:35,150 kidneys keep the pH level stable but if 568 00:24:39,370 --> 00:24:36,920 you get really seriously ill then your 569 00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:39,380 Bloods pH changes so to get us yours 570 00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:42,140 diabetes or if you can't really breathe 571 00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:43,580 properly anymore because your muscles 572 00:24:48,130 --> 00:24:45,500 are very weak and these sort of things 573 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:48,140 then if you have a chronic illness then 574 00:24:51,010 --> 00:24:49,610 this can change your ph level and you 575 00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:51,020 get some that's called sa doses where 576 00:24:55,180 --> 00:24:53,420 your blood turns more acidic and this 577 00:24:57,550 --> 00:24:55,190 will lead to death really quickly so if 578 00:25:01,180 --> 00:24:57,560 your blood level a pH level drops below 579 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:01,190 the 7.34 you have only a few hours to 580 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:03,080 get it back up and otherwise you just 581 00:25:11,170 --> 00:25:08,050 die ok and you can't change your blood 582 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:11,180 acidity level well so that no not with 583 00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:12,710 food but like if you're really serious 584 00:25:17,010 --> 00:25:14,780 I'll the doctors will give you some 585 00:25:20,110 --> 00:25:17,020 buffering solution throw in like an IV 586 00:25:21,850 --> 00:25:20,120 to get the Bloods of ph level back to 587 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:21,860 the normal level but through food 588 00:25:27,070 --> 00:25:25,490 okay so good why so do you think it's 589 00:25:28,539 --> 00:25:27,080 just general quackery or is there any 590 00:25:31,539 --> 00:25:28,549 particular reason why people go for this 591 00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,549 kind of diet well I think it's a well 592 00:25:35,049 --> 00:25:32,960 part of it is generally quackery but in 593 00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:35,059 general it's something it where you can 594 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:36,590 then where you're told you can measure 595 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:39,080 your body fluid and that's something 596 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:42,110 that people really like to do so what 597 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:44,510 the people who promote the econolodge 598 00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:46,010 that I tell you is that you're supposed 599 00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,750 to measure the pH value of your urine 600 00:25:52,690 --> 00:25:50,480 and this you can really affect a lot by 601 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,700 what you eat because the urine pH is 602 00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:54,320 like a measurement of how hard your body 603 00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:56,000 has to work to keep the pH of your blood 604 00:26:00,880 --> 00:25:59,210 stable so then if you eat alkaline food 605 00:26:03,549 --> 00:26:00,890 your urine will be more acha liner this 606 00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,559 is you get these pH measurement strips 607 00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:05,600 this measurement paper and you put in 608 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:07,640 your urine it changes color and this is 609 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:09,049 a very quick output and I think people 610 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:11,510 really like this and another point is 611 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:13,910 that if you're healthy and you're not 612 00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,530 betting on the side curing you of any 613 00:26:19,659 --> 00:26:17,600 illness it'll actually be good for you 614 00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:19,669 probably because it tells you should eat 615 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:21,860 a lot of fruits and vegetables and not 616 00:26:25,659 --> 00:26:23,900 so much processed food less sugar drink 617 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:25,669 more water which is you know in general 618 00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:29,809 is the advice and you know you know be 619 00:26:34,330 --> 00:26:31,640 physically active this is the stuff that 620 00:26:37,539 --> 00:26:34,340 you know everybody would tell you how we 621 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:37,549 have we have one of the people on the 622 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:41,360 podcast Stefan he has he's developed a 623 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:43,250 new diet so that that's called a they 624 00:26:49,450 --> 00:26:46,090 eat less exercise more diet oh yeah very 625 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:49,460 creative ok so just want to ask you 626 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:51,049 about skip distance what is this your 627 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:53,330 first QED yes ok and you're from 628 00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:55,910 Heidelberg exactly so is that your you 629 00:27:00,280 --> 00:26:58,340 go to uni there but yeah is that where 630 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:00,290 you also live yeah I lived there but I 631 00:27:05,289 --> 00:27:02,330 studied in the UK so I mean I'm familiar 632 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:05,299 with the UK skepticism CNN this is what 633 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,710 I really wanted to come here first QT 634 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,720 and that's it exactly it's also my first 635 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:10,640 sir I'm very very excited about yeah me 636 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:12,530 too no because I thought I traveled a 637 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:16,970 lot oh yes so what makes so are you an 638 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:19,910 active skeptic in general or is this is 639 00:27:24,610 --> 00:27:21,980 this just a foray into skepticism well 640 00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:24,620 no I mean I 641 00:27:28,299 --> 00:27:26,660 the University and you've had attended 642 00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:28,309 that bath university I actually 643 00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:32,600 co-founded a skepticism group and so and 644 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:35,720 now I may need blog because you know in 645 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:37,970 the in Heidelberg we don't really have 646 00:27:41,770 --> 00:27:40,370 an active skeptic scene and I don't have 647 00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:41,780 too much time to set one up and I'm not 648 00:27:46,810 --> 00:27:43,700 planning and staying there for a long 649 00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:46,820 time Isaac all right so yeah so what do 650 00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:48,680 you think so far so you've arrived today 651 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:50,750 for school I wrote yesterday yeah yeah 652 00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:52,550 okay so what do you think so far oh yeah 653 00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:53,780 it's been great the so many interesting 654 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:55,640 talk is really impressive i think i like 655 00:27:59,470 --> 00:27:57,650 the skeptic skeptical concert because 656 00:28:00,760 --> 00:27:59,480 it's so broad and like people talk about 657 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:00,770 the stuff they're really interested in 658 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:03,110 so I people have a real passion and it's 659 00:28:09,070 --> 00:28:05,270 a very broad topic as well because like 660 00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:09,080 the the main queue it is it's the talk 661 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:09,980 sounds super interesting I really 662 00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,170 looking forward but it's very like a lot 663 00:28:16,990 --> 00:28:14,240 of classical skepticism I say in many 664 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:17,000 areas is there anything in particular in 665 00:28:20,169 --> 00:28:18,559 the next two days in the program is 666 00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:20,179 something in particular that you looking 667 00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:22,580 forward to um well I really big fan of 668 00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:24,260 the whole magic and skepticism thing 669 00:28:28,270 --> 00:28:26,030 that I like this at the conferences 670 00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,280 because just so fun to like understand 671 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:30,559 how you can trick people using their 672 00:28:34,419 --> 00:28:33,170 like innate physical responses and I 673 00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:34,429 mean I'm really looking forward to the 674 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:36,470 talk from Nathan Phelps because that's I 675 00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:38,510 think that's just going to be a amazing 676 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:40,940 story to just hear this thing how this 677 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:43,970 all worked out excellent well thank you 678 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:45,290 very much for your timing he and your 679 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:46,550 talk was really fantastic i really 680 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:49,220 enjoyed it and enjoy the next two days 681 00:29:06,010 --> 00:28:52,100 so yeah i definitely will thanks 682 00:29:07,659 --> 00:29:06,020 oh hey this is jay novella from the 683 00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:07,669 skeptics guide to the universe podcast 684 00:29:11,409 --> 00:29:09,590 did you know that there are thousands of 685 00:29:13,150 --> 00:29:11,419 skeptical reports interviews and 686 00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:13,160 investigations going back to nineteen 687 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:15,860 eighty one free to download just visit w 688 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:19,130 WC optics com a you click the 689 00:29:22,990 --> 00:29:21,049 publications link and enjoy almost every 690 00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:23,000 back issue of the skeptic the journal 691 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:24,980 from Australian skeptics you can also 692 00:29:28,779 --> 00:29:26,510 subscribe online and get the latest 693 00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:28,789 digital or hard copy of this the world's 694 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:30,830 second oldest skeptical magazine that's 695 00:29:47,049 --> 00:29:34,490 ww skeptics com a you or just google 696 00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:47,059 Australian skeptics welcome to a week in 697 00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:49,190 science from arias bringing you the 698 00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,470 science you need to know every time 699 00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:53,120 there's a big sporting competition we 700 00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:54,860 stare in wonderment at the athletes 701 00:30:06,799 --> 00:29:56,990 breaking records but is there actually a 702 00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:09,389 usain bolt's is the fastest human ever 703 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:11,620 recorded in a race covering a hundred 704 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:13,390 meters and a little over nine and a half 705 00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,090 seconds that gives him an average speed 706 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:18,159 of around thirty seven kilometres an 707 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:20,230 hour you may have thought that we might 708 00:30:24,450 --> 00:30:22,510 be reaching a limit of human speed as 709 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:24,460 our bodies may not be able to take any 710 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:26,500 higher impact forces through our legs 711 00:30:30,659 --> 00:30:28,510 but research found that hopping on one 712 00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:30,669 leg increased these forces by thirty 713 00:30:36,029 --> 00:30:32,919 percent more than sprinting which goes 714 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:36,039 to show our bodies can take more instead 715 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:37,809 researchers think that our speed is 716 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:39,640 limited by how fast our muscles can 717 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:41,770 contract and exert force during the 718 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:43,809 extremely small amount of time athlete 719 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:45,370 is on the ground which is less than 720 00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:47,770 one-tenth of a second during that short 721 00:30:51,659 --> 00:30:49,630 time the muscle needs to exert as much 722 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:51,669 force as it can to propel someone 723 00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:54,130 forward looking at human physiology they 724 00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:55,929 estimate humans might be capable of 725 00:31:02,909 --> 00:31:00,640 running over 60 kilometres an hour well 726 00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,919 can humans really run 25k is now a 727 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:04,480 faster than the current world record 728 00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:06,370 well humans are thoughts that have 729 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:09,279 already run faster than bolt fossilized 730 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:11,080 footprints found in Australia Shan 731 00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,450 ancient indigenous man running when they 732 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,279 were measured it was calculated he was 733 00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:17,820 running at around 37 kilometres an hour 734 00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:20,559 so what that's the same speed as bolt 735 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:23,080 but keep in mind this man was probably 736 00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:25,750 running through mud if not water give 737 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:27,880 him modern shoes and a hard surface and 738 00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:29,890 it's likely he would have run around 45 739 00:31:34,019 --> 00:31:32,140 days an hour incredibly in the same 740 00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:34,029 group of footprints was a one-legged man 741 00:31:39,779 --> 00:31:36,429 hopping it over 20 kilometres an hour 742 00:31:43,419 --> 00:31:39,789 try doing that that's fast but not as 743 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:43,429 fast as air for fast facts 744 00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:45,870 Usain Bolt's power output during a 745 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,159 sprint is around three and a half 746 00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:50,159 horsepower ninety-two percent of bolts 747 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:52,260 power is used to overcome aerodynamic 748 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:54,870 drag only eight percent is responsible 749 00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,210 for his speed one characteristic of 750 00:32:01,519 --> 00:31:59,460 sprinters is short tendons and long toes 751 00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:01,529 which are thought to improve the effect 752 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:04,260 of the calf muscles and swinging your 753 00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:05,850 arms when you run reduces energy 754 00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:08,190 expenditure by up to thirteen percent 755 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:10,919 compared to holding them still that's it 756 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,809 for this week in science for more 757 00:32:19,639 --> 00:32:14,640 information on the limits of human speed 758 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,649 goes to the RLS website are I au s org a 759 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:22,559 you follow us on twitter at ra oz and 760 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:25,350 like us on facebook i'm ben lewis and 761 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:46,260 ad hominem begging the question factoid 762 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:48,430 propagation false analogy false cause 763 00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:50,560 false dichotomy gibberish immunized 764 00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:52,360 hypothesis moral equivalence poison the 765 00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:53,860 well simple modern certitude stacking 766 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:56,500 the deck and WTF are just some of the 767 00:33:00,960 --> 00:32:58,450 fallacies we provide real life examples 768 00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:00,970 of in hunting humbug 101 a podcast about 769 00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:04,870 bad arguments check it out at WWF text 770 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:20,890 what we want is some more evidence 771 00:33:29,530 --> 00:33:34,940 hello this is Joe alabasta 772 00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:37,100 this week a follow-up report on the 773 00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:38,700 underwear that claim to offer protection 774 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:40,440 against allegedly harmful 775 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:43,860 electromagnetic radiation back in May 776 00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,710 this year in episode 290 a brought your 777 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:48,960 story on an IndieGoGo campaign and its 778 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:50,970 subsequent media coverage for wireless 779 00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:53,370 armored Underpants made of fabric which 780 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:55,230 contained a silver mesh which was 781 00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:57,210 claimed to protect men's testicles from 782 00:34:01,549 --> 00:33:59,159 radiation from mobile devices such as 783 00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:01,559 smartphones and laptops by behaving as a 784 00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:04,500 Faraday cage this story was also 785 00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:07,799 featured in skeptic magazine subsequent 786 00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:09,659 my report a complaint was lodged with 787 00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,740 us-based crowdfunding platform IndieGoGo 788 00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:15,119 unfortunately IndieGoGo trust and safety 789 00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:16,500 team didn't have a problem with 790 00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,270 facilitating fundraising for a non 791 00:34:23,899 --> 00:34:20,159 evidence based product stating that 792 00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:23,909 quote IndieGoGo is an equal opportunity 793 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:26,760 platform we let our users decide whether 794 00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:28,530 they want to contribute and support the 795 00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,780 campaign after performing their own due 796 00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:32,820 diligence on the company CAD Bane owner 797 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:36,659 and its cause and quote as such I'd 798 00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:38,010 recommend that anybody looking at 799 00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:39,179 supporting an IndieGoGo campaign 800 00:34:44,839 --> 00:34:42,839 practice due diligence another complaint 801 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:44,849 was lodged this time with the 802 00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:47,129 advertising standards Association the 803 00:34:52,839 --> 00:34:49,859 a-si in the UK where the founder of 804 00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:52,849 wireless armor Joseph Perkins resides as 805 00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,159 a result of this complaint the a-si 806 00:35:02,200 --> 00:34:58,500 investigated two claims made by wireless 807 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:02,210 armor one regarding the link between 808 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:04,730 electromagnetic am radiation and 809 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:08,970 infertility in men and two that the 810 00:35:15,319 --> 00:35:12,740 product could protect a user from am in 811 00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:15,329 response to point one wireless armor 812 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:17,190 limited provided brief summaries of 813 00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:19,230 eight studies and three full papers 814 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:21,150 which they believe demonstrated that 815 00:35:26,059 --> 00:35:22,890 mobile phone radiation had a negative 816 00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:26,069 impact on male fertility these were 817 00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:28,440 reviewed by the a-si their assessment is 818 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:33,119 as follows quote the a-si reviewed only 819 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:35,250 those papers supplied in full as we 820 00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:36,690 considered the summaries of the other 821 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:37,950 studies did not provide sufficient 822 00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:40,170 detail regarding the subjects and 823 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:42,359 methodology used to ascertain whether 824 00:35:46,309 --> 00:35:44,609 they had been conducted robustly we 825 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:46,319 noted that the first paper studied the 826 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:48,820 impact of am from a mobile phone owned 827 00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:50,530 when it was emitting a Bluetooth signal 828 00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:54,550 for an hour on in vitro human sperm we 829 00:35:58,890 --> 00:35:55,870 understood that the study involved 830 00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,900 samples collected from 32 males which 831 00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,880 are exposed to em from a phone position 832 00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:03,760 2.5 centimeters away to mimic close 833 00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:05,950 proximity of the testes to a cell phone 834 00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,440 in trouser pocket we noted that the 835 00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:10,000 paper concluded that mobile phone 836 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:11,980 radiation led to a decrease in the 837 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:14,710 motility and viability of the sperm but 838 00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:16,510 because male reproductive organs were 839 00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:18,460 separated by multiple tissue layers it 840 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:20,260 was not possible to extrapolate the 841 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,390 effects n under in vitro conditions to 842 00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:23,920 real-life conditions without further 843 00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:27,460 research the second study focused on the 844 00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:30,190 impact of am from mobile phone on male 845 00:36:35,550 --> 00:36:33,460 rat sperm in vivo the authors concluded 846 00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:35,560 that the a.m resulted in low sperm 847 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:38,620 motility we considered however that a 848 00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:40,570 paper focused on the impact of mobile 849 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:42,760 phone radiation on rats did not provide 850 00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:44,710 adequate evidence that the same impact 851 00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:46,750 would be experienced by humans in 852 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:49,270 particular we noted that another of the 853 00:36:54,450 --> 00:36:51,970 papers provided stated that it was quote 854 00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:54,460 impractical to compare a rat model to 855 00:36:59,250 --> 00:36:56,260 humans because of its small testicular 856 00:37:01,260 --> 00:36:59,260 size non pendulous scrotum and the fact 857 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:01,270 that its testes can migrate between the 858 00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:03,250 abdomen of the scrotum in the inguinal 859 00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:07,660 panel end quote the third paper explored 860 00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:09,790 the correlation if any between 861 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:13,030 infertility and mobile phone usage the 862 00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:15,850 study involved 361 men who were 863 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:18,070 undergoing infertility evaluation and 864 00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,510 who were divided into four groups 865 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:21,760 according to their active mobile phone 866 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:24,850 usage samples of the men's sperm were 867 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:27,130 collected and analyzed and the results 868 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:29,050 collected appeared to show an inverse 869 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:31,210 correlation between mobile phone use and 870 00:37:36,810 --> 00:37:33,850 sperm count motility viability and 871 00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:36,820 normal morphology we noted however the 872 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:38,440 authors acknowledged the study was 873 00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:40,450 limited as it had not taken into account 874 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:43,360 relevant confounding factors such as the 875 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:45,310 Occupational history of the subjects and 876 00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:47,110 their a.m. exposure from other sources 877 00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:50,350 such as radio towers PDAs Bluetooth 878 00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:53,800 devices computers and so forth the study 879 00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:55,420 also relied on the subjects 880 00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:57,430 self-perceived history as their mobile 881 00:38:01,740 --> 00:37:59,980 phone usage was not validated as you not 882 00:38:02,190 --> 00:38:01,750 consider the effects of mobile phones 883 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:02,200 when 884 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:05,710 in their standby position we also noted 885 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:07,390 that the paper was unable to conclude 886 00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:09,849 whether the perceived negative impact 887 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:11,740 was the result of a emitted from the 888 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:14,050 phone or of the temperature of the test 889 00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:16,690 is increasing or both we therefore 890 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:18,550 considered that none of the papers that 891 00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:20,260 have been provided demonstrated that 892 00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:22,540 mobile phone radiation had a proven 893 00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,579 negative impact on human male fertility 894 00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:27,040 and concluded that the claims asserting 895 00:38:32,339 --> 00:38:28,780 a link between the two were misleading 896 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:32,349 on that point the ad breached c.a.p code 897 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:35,410 edition 12 rules 3.1 misleading 898 00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:39,910 advertising 3.7 substantiation and 12.1 899 00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:42,430 medicines medical devices health-related 900 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:46,920 products and beauty products and quote 901 00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:49,089 responding two points who that the 902 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:51,070 product could protect a user from am 903 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:53,410 wireless armor provided a test report 904 00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:55,450 from a third-party showing the results 905 00:38:59,609 --> 00:38:57,369 achieved when the fabric utilized by the 906 00:39:02,640 --> 00:38:59,619 product was tested for electromagnetic 907 00:39:04,319 --> 00:39:02,650 shielding they said the report showed 908 00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:04,329 that the fabric was able to shield a 909 00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,599 high degree of am wireless armor also 910 00:39:12,089 --> 00:39:09,520 explained that although the product had 911 00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:12,099 openings to allow consumer to wear it it 912 00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:13,900 was only when worn that the product 913 00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,390 approximated a Faraday cage as the holes 914 00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:18,119 were filled with the wearer's body as 915 00:39:23,579 --> 00:39:20,500 human flesh is not a good conductor of 916 00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:23,589 am it would dissipate the energy the 917 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:26,500 ASA's assessment quote notwithstanding 918 00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,690 our assessment of point 1 above we 919 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,359 reviewed the test report provided to see 920 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:33,040 whether the product was able to shield 921 00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:35,650 whereas from a.m. we noted however that 922 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,750 the report referred to a sample of the 923 00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:39,280 fabric that was used to construct the 924 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:40,839 product and not to the product when 925 00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:42,970 assembled into pants and worn by 926 00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:45,700 consumers we therefore considered that 927 00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:47,800 the evidence provided was not sufficient 928 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:49,960 to show that the product when utilized 929 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,089 by consumers was able to prevent am 930 00:39:56,579 --> 00:39:54,640 reaching the genitals in the absence of 931 00:39:59,520 --> 00:39:56,589 any such evidence we concluded that the 932 00:40:01,890 --> 00:39:59,530 claims were misleading on that point the 933 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:01,900 ad breached c.a.p code edition 12 rules 934 00:40:08,819 --> 00:40:05,650 3.1 misleading advertising 3.7 935 00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:08,829 substantiation and 12.1 medicines 936 00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:10,750 medical devices health-related products 937 00:40:16,030 --> 00:40:15,280 and beauty products end quote and here's 938 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:16,040 the a-si 939 00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:19,880 ruling quote action the ad must not 940 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:22,460 appear again in its current form we told 941 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:24,410 wireless armored limited to ensure that 942 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:26,210 they had adequate evidence to 943 00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:28,250 substantiate their efficacy claims in 944 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:32,600 their marketing in future end quote you 945 00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:34,730 know I think this is fantastic that a 946 00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:36,740 thorough investigation into some strong 947 00:40:39,850 --> 00:40:38,270 key sounding advertising and a 948 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:39,860 subsequent ruling prohibiting an 949 00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:41,450 advertiser from continuing to make 950 00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:43,580 misleading plans can be the result of 951 00:40:48,850 --> 00:40:46,520 one person writing a letter if you see 952 00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:48,860 something question being advertised go 953 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:50,740 for it your letter could have an effect 954 00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:53,630 the a trip will see your go-to guys if 955 00:40:58,270 --> 00:40:56,480 you're in Australia there's actually 956 00:41:00,160 --> 00:40:58,280 been some media coverage on the ASA's 957 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:00,170 ruling on wireless armor I'll provide 958 00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:02,330 some links to news stories on my blog at 959 00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:05,510 evidence please net and also a link to 960 00:41:09,730 --> 00:41:07,940 the ASA's ruling itself and wireless 961 00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:09,740 armors public statement following the 962 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:12,500 ban on their advertising wireless armor 963 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:14,930 themselves have retained over 16,000 964 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:16,730 pounds raised by their IndieGoGo 965 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:18,650 campaign and are still accepting 966 00:41:22,990 --> 00:41:21,010 pre-orders for their underwear range 967 00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:23,000 currently not a lot can be done about 968 00:41:27,340 --> 00:41:24,860 that but hopefully the ASA's 969 00:41:29,050 --> 00:41:27,350 investigation the ban on advertising and 970 00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:29,060 the media coverage surrounding the 971 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:30,800 ruling will detract somewhat from the 972 00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:32,510 perceived credibility of this product 973 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:34,910 before I go this way I'd like to give a 974 00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,010 shout-out to the science on top podcast 975 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:39,200 the Australian podcast about science 976 00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,170 health and technology news they are kind 977 00:41:45,340 --> 00:41:43,760 enough to invite me to join their panel 978 00:41:47,290 --> 00:41:45,350 is a guest last week and I had a 979 00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:47,300 fantastic time chatting with ed Lucas 980 00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:50,390 and Penny thanks for having me on signs 981 00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:52,460 on top can be found at science on top 982 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:54,710 calm it's a fun show and a great way to 983 00:41:58,270 --> 00:41:56,090 stay on top of some of the latest 984 00:42:21,250 --> 00:41:58,280 research and discoveries in the world of 985 00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,180 thanks again for listening to the 986 00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:24,960 skeptic zone wow what a show that was 987 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:26,910 packed poor old Richard having to edit 988 00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:28,110 all this together when he's sick 989 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:29,640 hopefully he'll be all better next week 990 00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:32,490 but is he sick or really just plain lazy 991 00:42:37,730 --> 00:42:35,310 you can find out in meeting myself and 992 00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:37,740 me and four other people this thursday 993 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:40,680 night in sydney is sydney skeptics in 994 00:42:49,070 --> 00:42:44,370 the pub the details are at meetup.com / 995 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:49,080 aust skeptics that's meetup.com / aust 996 00:42:55,390 --> 00:42:52,580 skeptics this is Maynard signing off 997 00:43:02,240 --> 00:42:55,400 that's a noise I make when I sign off 998 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:02,250 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